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	<title>Comments on: On Gold and Gollums, an overview into the Gold Farming and Selling Industry</title>
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		<title>By: betterthanyou</title>
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		<dc:creator>betterthanyou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 18:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;m ruining the economy.  Yes, I&#039;m spending real life $$$ for imaginary currency in an online world.  Yes, I&#039;m cheating.  But my real life is better for it, because I don&#039;t waste so much time farming.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m ruining the economy.  Yes, I&#8217;m spending real life $$$ for imaginary currency in an online world.  Yes, I&#8217;m cheating.  But my real life is better for it, because I don&#8217;t waste so much time farming.</p>
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		<title>By: betterthanyou</title>
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		<dc:creator>betterthanyou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 18:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can buy gold online WAY faster than you can farm it.  Get a job in real life - FTW.  I have the same BoP epics you do, and reputation, etc.  I just don&#039;t wast hours and hours per week farming gold and mats for enchants, consumables, and repair bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can buy gold online WAY faster than you can farm it.  Get a job in real life &#8211; FTW.  I have the same BoP epics you do, and reputation, etc.  I just don&#8217;t wast hours and hours per week farming gold and mats for enchants, consumables, and repair bills.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Crowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter Crowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 17:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is something you can all try instead of buy gold, for those of you who are against it anyway.

Ok, this is what I have been doing to make consistent gold on the auction house. I made over 30 gold today. It will probably not last long once the word gets out.

In Arathi Highlands there is a location called Stromgarde Keep (if you use cosmosui the coords are : 26,58). Now, this area is half controlled by the alliance and half controlled by reds that attack on sight. But if you are careful you can avoid the reds. The entire arathi highlands zone is level 30-35 mobs but the keep is level 35+ elite mobs so you want to avoid fighting if you can.

Anyway, to make it simple to keep going back here, I go to Refuge Pointe at 45,47 on the map.There is a griffon guy there. This point hooks up directly to the griffon master in IronForge where the AH is. So after getting the griffon point established I can fly from Ironforge to refuge pointe and back again.

Now, like I said there is level 30+ mobs in this zone, but the nice thing is, there is a patrol that moves along the road that heads south from refuge pointe and follows the road all the way to Stromgarde Keep. So the road is usually cleared of reds for you. Just keep an eye out for them . If you are over level 30 though, you can probably handle it on your own.
So, you basically want to take the road south out of refuge pointe and once you hit the road where you can go east or west  you want to go west. Follow that road until you get to a road between two lakes. That is Stromgarde Keep. (you should see it on your map now.) You take that road into Stromgarde Keep.

***This is the tricky part. People might be fighting the reds in here, so just watch out for their battles. When you first enter the Keep, you are in a courtyard. Hug the wall that is on your right hand side (the west wall), that is the Alliance side of the keep. Now, the very first right that you can make once you enter the courtyard, you take that... you will know you are in the right spot because you will see a bunch of green guards. Basically now, you want to take the road all the way back and then to the right, and follow the walls. Eventually you will see an opening in the wall with a walkway over the entrance you originally came in. Take that walkway(bridge) over to the other side, It will still be green. Now once you are across, hang a right and another right.
You are looking for the NPC vendor named Deneb Walker.
Hope you brought some money with you. Anyway, he is the vendor that sells the Expert first aid book. Thats fine and dandy and all... I mean it costs a gold piece. But you can sell it on the auction house for at least 1.5 gp and often 2 gp. But I didn&#039;t send you all the way here for that stupid book. No, you are here to buy the two other books he sells. The one that only costs you 22 sp and 50 sp. The manual for mageweave bandage and the manual for the heavy silk bandage. Now remember that 22sp and 50 sp you just spent. Well, those books sell on my auction house for ********* 1.9-2.2gp EACH ************* YOU HEARD ME!!!! EACH. I have put up 5 of each book today for 1.9 buyout that I paid 22 sp and 50 sp for. I sold each one of them. (in fact, the heavy silk ones sell better and they are only 22 sp each) I also bought 5 books for the first aid for a gp each, and sold them for 1.9 gp. After all those sold, I went back and bought even more. These things are selling. Now, I don&#039;t know what they are selling for on your server, but just take a look on the auction house for the books (under the name field you can enter MANUAL and click on RECIPE and then click SEARCH. See what your auction price is for these items) This is a gold mine.

Because first aid is one of those skills that every single character can have because it is a secondary skill, every one buys these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is something you can all try instead of buy gold, for those of you who are against it anyway.</p>
<p>Ok, this is what I have been doing to make consistent gold on the auction house. I made over 30 gold today. It will probably not last long once the word gets out.</p>
<p>In Arathi Highlands there is a location called Stromgarde Keep (if you use cosmosui the coords are : 26,58). Now, this area is half controlled by the alliance and half controlled by reds that attack on sight. But if you are careful you can avoid the reds. The entire arathi highlands zone is level 30-35 mobs but the keep is level 35+ elite mobs so you want to avoid fighting if you can.</p>
<p>Anyway, to make it simple to keep going back here, I go to Refuge Pointe at 45,47 on the map.There is a griffon guy there. This point hooks up directly to the griffon master in IronForge where the AH is. So after getting the griffon point established I can fly from Ironforge to refuge pointe and back again.</p>
<p>Now, like I said there is level 30+ mobs in this zone, but the nice thing is, there is a patrol that moves along the road that heads south from refuge pointe and follows the road all the way to Stromgarde Keep. So the road is usually cleared of reds for you. Just keep an eye out for them . If you are over level 30 though, you can probably handle it on your own.<br />
So, you basically want to take the road south out of refuge pointe and once you hit the road where you can go east or west  you want to go west. Follow that road until you get to a road between two lakes. That is Stromgarde Keep. (you should see it on your map now.) You take that road into Stromgarde Keep.</p>
<p>***This is the tricky part. People might be fighting the reds in here, so just watch out for their battles. When you first enter the Keep, you are in a courtyard. Hug the wall that is on your right hand side (the west wall), that is the Alliance side of the keep. Now, the very first right that you can make once you enter the courtyard, you take that&#8230; you will know you are in the right spot because you will see a bunch of green guards. Basically now, you want to take the road all the way back and then to the right, and follow the walls. Eventually you will see an opening in the wall with a walkway over the entrance you originally came in. Take that walkway(bridge) over to the other side, It will still be green. Now once you are across, hang a right and another right.<br />
You are looking for the NPC vendor named Deneb Walker.<br />
Hope you brought some money with you. Anyway, he is the vendor that sells the Expert first aid book. Thats fine and dandy and all&#8230; I mean it costs a gold piece. But you can sell it on the auction house for at least 1.5 gp and often 2 gp. But I didn&#8217;t send you all the way here for that stupid book. No, you are here to buy the two other books he sells. The one that only costs you 22 sp and 50 sp. The manual for mageweave bandage and the manual for the heavy silk bandage. Now remember that 22sp and 50 sp you just spent. Well, those books sell on my auction house for ********* 1.9-2.2gp EACH ************* YOU HEARD ME!!!! EACH. I have put up 5 of each book today for 1.9 buyout that I paid 22 sp and 50 sp for. I sold each one of them. (in fact, the heavy silk ones sell better and they are only 22 sp each) I also bought 5 books for the first aid for a gp each, and sold them for 1.9 gp. After all those sold, I went back and bought even more. These things are selling. Now, I don&#8217;t know what they are selling for on your server, but just take a look on the auction house for the books (under the name field you can enter MANUAL and click on RECIPE and then click SEARCH. See what your auction price is for these items) This is a gold mine.</p>
<p>Because first aid is one of those skills that every single character can have because it is a secondary skill, every one buys these things.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferotove of Spinebreaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferotove of Spinebreaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Prices are what they are. You either pay them and they go up, or you don&#039;t and they go down. Economies are self correcting systems, supply and demand is an organic process.&quot;

The guy before me rebuttled this but I am going to go a bit further by giving it a real life example.

The supply of oil has gone up, thats right gone up, they (as in the oil companies) are inflated the price based on fears even though the supply is greater.

Even though the supply is ever increasing the demand reamins the same, and people are willing to pay more.

People keep arguing that this isnt how famers work, well they are just playing wrong, there may be other methods in which they work, but this is most certainly one of them. 

I have friends who arnt farmers in the illegal sense (they dont buy and sell gold) but between them they were buying out a particular item at the lower price, farming that same item and dictating the price, they all got their epic mounts that way. 

A real life example of that would be when a new video game console releases, or concert tickets go on sale, people buy in bulk and sell at a higher price. 

What it does lower the price of is BoE epics, because these items cant be handled in bulk, so farmers just sell them at market price, problem is they are sold for LESS since they cant horde the item to increase the value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Prices are what they are. You either pay them and they go up, or you don&#8217;t and they go down. Economies are self correcting systems, supply and demand is an organic process.&#8221;</p>
<p>The guy before me rebuttled this but I am going to go a bit further by giving it a real life example.</p>
<p>The supply of oil has gone up, thats right gone up, they (as in the oil companies) are inflated the price based on fears even though the supply is greater.</p>
<p>Even though the supply is ever increasing the demand reamins the same, and people are willing to pay more.</p>
<p>People keep arguing that this isnt how famers work, well they are just playing wrong, there may be other methods in which they work, but this is most certainly one of them. </p>
<p>I have friends who arnt farmers in the illegal sense (they dont buy and sell gold) but between them they were buying out a particular item at the lower price, farming that same item and dictating the price, they all got their epic mounts that way. </p>
<p>A real life example of that would be when a new video game console releases, or concert tickets go on sale, people buy in bulk and sell at a higher price. </p>
<p>What it does lower the price of is BoE epics, because these items cant be handled in bulk, so farmers just sell them at market price, problem is they are sold for LESS since they cant horde the item to increase the value.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 02:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Prices are what they are. You either pay them and they go up, or you don&#039;t and they go down. Economies are self correcting systems, supply and demand is an organic process.&quot;

Not even true in the real world.  I wish people who had taken Economics 101 would realize that there are a lot of other courses offered by Economics departments and that 101 almost always radically simplifies concepts.

There is a ton of real world literature on what happens when people corner a market (or withold supply significantly) and what happens then.  To simplify myself, it it&#039;s something people want badly enough, and can&#039;t substite away from, the price can shoot up.

Such games happen all the time in real markets, and are one of the ways you can make a pile of money, very very fast.

Of course, blow it and you can lose your shirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Prices are what they are. You either pay them and they go up, or you don&#8217;t and they go down. Economies are self correcting systems, supply and demand is an organic process.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not even true in the real world.  I wish people who had taken Economics 101 would realize that there are a lot of other courses offered by Economics departments and that 101 almost always radically simplifies concepts.</p>
<p>There is a ton of real world literature on what happens when people corner a market (or withold supply significantly) and what happens then.  To simplify myself, it it&#8217;s something people want badly enough, and can&#8217;t substite away from, the price can shoot up.</p>
<p>Such games happen all the time in real markets, and are one of the ways you can make a pile of money, very very fast.</p>
<p>Of course, blow it and you can lose your shirt.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas M Luster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonas M Luster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 02:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citations for? Original content? Lack of quotes? Citations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citations for? Original content? Lack of quotes? Citations?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 02:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are your citations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are your citations?</p>
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		<title>By: snivlem</title>
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		<dc:creator>snivlem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 18:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good read.

I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s been said, but it&#039;s a little funny (ha ha) that the google ads on this page all pertain to WoW gold. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good read.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s been said, but it&#8217;s a little funny (ha ha) that the google ads on this page all pertain to WoW gold. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Zigbee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zigbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 01:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find extremely interesting about the WoW economy, is that the cost of materials is always more than the cost of manufactured goods.  You cannot in any way make a profit by buying leather on the AH and selling your leatherworking creations.  The value of leather is so much higher because it can be used in so many ways...the moment you package it into something specific it loses flexibility and thus value.  I guess this stems from the vast majority of people capable of using the goods to create items...we don&#039;t have centralized companies handling difficult manufacturing processes that the lay person couldn&#039;t possibly reproduce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find extremely interesting about the WoW economy, is that the cost of materials is always more than the cost of manufactured goods.  You cannot in any way make a profit by buying leather on the AH and selling your leatherworking creations.  The value of leather is so much higher because it can be used in so many ways&#8230;the moment you package it into something specific it loses flexibility and thus value.  I guess this stems from the vast majority of people capable of using the goods to create items&#8230;we don&#8217;t have centralized companies handling difficult manufacturing processes that the lay person couldn&#8217;t possibly reproduce.</p>
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		<title>By: Cremmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cremmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 18:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]All in all, this just sounds like a description and condemnation of the process without offering any proof of how it negatively impacts the world.[/quote]

don&#039;t you get it man? he says that the gold seller wants prices to be high so that more people come buy from him with real money in the real world. 

this negatively impacts others who can not afford things and maybe are not miners or alchemists and rely on guilds or ah to buy arcanite.

you read like someone i knew at ige. are you trying to defend gold selling by calling jonas who i know has talked to farmers a lot contrived? it might be interesting to see which ip addresses you and the others who defend gold selling as harmless come from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]All in all, this just sounds like a description and condemnation of the process without offering any proof of how it negatively impacts the world.[/quote]</p>
<p>don&#8217;t you get it man? he says that the gold seller wants prices to be high so that more people come buy from him with real money in the real world. </p>
<p>this negatively impacts others who can not afford things and maybe are not miners or alchemists and rely on guilds or ah to buy arcanite.</p>
<p>you read like someone i knew at ige. are you trying to defend gold selling by calling jonas who i know has talked to farmers a lot contrived? it might be interesting to see which ip addresses you and the others who defend gold selling as harmless come from.</p>
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