Teh Drama

The good thing that happened this weekend was that I had a second character hit 70, and my main got attuned for Karazhan. The bad thing that happened was that guild drama is escalating, and this morning I removed all of my alts from the guild, including the level 70 hunter. (I left the lock.)

I’m reading about a lot of guilds who are going through the same issues; everyone from Tobold to wow_ladies are posting the same things.

Pre-TBC, I wrote about the changes to guilds build around raiding 40-man instances that TBC was likely to cause. And you know what? I was wrong, and I was right. Guilds are imploding, but it seems to be for a reason that I never anticipated: previously supportive guilds dividing out into haves and have-nots, per Tobold’s post.

There was a group that raced to 70, eager to hit the smaller instances and start the attunement run for Karazhan. There was another group that took more time levelling, enjoying the content. I fully expected that once we all hit 70, there would be a re-shuffle of raiding groups to balance out the groups, make sure the class balance was right, help people get attuned and geared up, etc. That assumption was wrong. Instead, we have the uber group who want no contact with the rest of the guild other than posting instance loot to taunt the rest of us. We have a second group, not so uber, but they’re raiding. We have a lot of the recently-attuned that are expected to fill gaps as needed, if A Team or B Team members are missing or late. We have a guild leader who seems to be burnt out on leading the guild, and all the decisions are being made by one member (previously a really nice guy) who is seriously pissing everyone off by ignoring class leaders’ input and the best interests of everyone in the guild in order to further the interests of A Team.

Excuse me? After a year of serious dependable, always-there-on-time-to-kick-ass raiding, we’re going to be treated as placeholders and substitutes? Absolutely not. And so I took my hunter out of the guild, so I could quest and grind and hopefully meet more people without getting seriously pissed off every time A Team flaunts their loot or new boss kills.

It’s a shame. There are still wonderful people in the guild, and those people are the reason I completed the attunement. (As I returned the favour by helping others.) I can’t believe that I’m saying this…but I wish our guild would split, too. Because unless everyone starts communicating with each other, it’s inevitable – either quietly, as people /gquit, or publicly in a huge blowup. A shame, as this was (once upon a time) a seriously good guild, and it isn’t anymore.

What has your experience been? I’d really love to know what other large-ish raiding guilds have been experiencing. Have you avoided Teh Drama?

9 Comments so far

  1. Peebers (unregistered) on February 26th, 2007 @ 5:06 am

    my guild’s seein a lil bit of this. sometimes karazhan looks like it was built to be a guild killer. apparently you need 2 tanks and 4 healer, leaving room for 4 dps classes. hunters seem to be gettin short sticked while shadow priests are golden. we kinda knew this was coming and hoped it’d shed us of all the slackers but theyer holdin tight while good players are getting sick of being placeholders.


  2. Illyria (unregistered) on February 26th, 2007 @ 5:49 am

    We’re not even a raid guild and still the exact same stuff (well as much as “exact” can be anyway with different guilds) is happening with us.

    But you know what? I remember a time when it was the same: it was when a certain percentage hit 60 and raiding started seriously on my server, that’s when as many guilds broke up as are doing now. Last time I swore I would never be in a raid guild now I see the same thing happen in my pretty casual guild. We managed to get a long for nearly 2 years and now it’s all falling apart despite people investing a lot of work to save the guild.

    It seems that everytime there’s a large chunk of content accessible to only some, all of a sudden those who can access it start looking down on everybody else.

    I have no good analysis on what exactly happend in my guild, except that the leadership is burnt out by now because of all the drama, the accusations and destructiveness of some. It’s largely a communication/support issue. Most members will only communicate their disagreements, so you have silent masses and a few who keep bashing on the leadership. Everybody seems to be taking a dislike to somebody and taking it out on the guild. There are cliques, intrigues and flames.

    I hope I’ll eventually be able to play again on my old server. For now my alts have left the building, my main is retired, my guild responsibilities given to somebody else. I’ll be back to the server eventually but I have little faith the old feeling will ever be back.


  3. Dreadmoon (unregistered) on February 26th, 2007 @ 8:02 am

    Ravven, I’ve made two posts about the same topic on my blog some time ago. The first one was made when I started to see the separation of groups and the way the raiders of the guild were seeing the guild as a whole while most of the rest of the guild was falling behind.

    The second post was my impression after I left the guild and saw several old members either leaving as well or taking alts out of the guild and stop playing their guilded mains.

    Overall, TBC has changed guild dynamics… for me, it means I am in a new, tiny guild, enjoy the game with friends.


  4. Mojo (unregistered) on February 26th, 2007 @ 10:48 am

    My guild is undergoing the same thing, but with a few changes: the leet raiders wanted to be called A Team and have a static group that would “work out the strats” for the rest of us. When a bunch of us in the guild leadership cried foul, we worked out a new system.

    We have tanks and healers assigned to each other, and these core groups chose the rest of their crew from the remaining keyed individuals. There are 14 people on each team, so that if one or two people can’t make the raid somebofy else can jump in. We now have 4 fully functional Khara groups running, and a half-dozen people waiting to form a fifth group who currently act as a larger bank of alternates.

    I also specifically requested that people not be named A Team and B Team and so on, as that implies a ranking and is bullshit. Instead, each Khara group took a new name: Team Flawless, Team Badass, and so on.

    There is still some hard feelings from people who aren’t Khara keyed and want to be, but we also have 40+ people knocking down bosses every night.


  5. Ravven (unregistered) on February 27th, 2007 @ 4:17 am

    Thanks for the good input all – it sounds as though a lot of guilds are going through this.

    Our guild just split last night, and it’s a huge shame because once upon a time we were a very, very good guild.

    Yeah, I know it’s a game – but it still feels like breaking up with all your friends at once. Not a great feeling.


  6. therefugee (unregistered) on February 27th, 2007 @ 11:51 am

    my guild attempted to waylay this problem before it escalated, by completly clearing out the guild, all alts and anyone that had been offline more than a week was kicked no questions asked.
    they also decided that it was for the better of the guild to kick everyone who they deemed “not top quality raiding material”, id est anyone that couldn’t make every raid every day of the week from 8 to 12. (crazy, i know)
    unfortunetly, i was one of these people and was kicked no quesions asked, only a short explanation and then an ignore.
    funny thing was, i had been with this guild for over a year and a half and no questions asked was kicked on the spot.
    was kinda unnerving at first, but i figured why start over again with another group of people, so i quit.
    it’s this kind of drama and such that just ruins the game, and if guilds don’t sort this out now, it’ll only escalate to that kind of situation.
    so, you heard it from me first, end it now, or it’ll get ugly.

    oh and fyi, they’re having quite a falling out of not-so-harcore raiders partly due to digust of what the guild has become. tsk tsk =(


  7. Peebers (unregistered) on February 27th, 2007 @ 8:13 pm

    it’s funny how grossly similar a gkick/gquit is to a break-up. just arent ready to start raiding(dating) with another guild(girl/boy). also dreading that if you do you’ll just run into eachother at the zone-in(hardees) and it’ll be weird.


  8. Theblues (unregistered) on February 27th, 2007 @ 11:15 pm

    Ravven’s post is a mirror to what is happening to many guilds at this time – especially my own guild.

    We were a very strong guild and had just started Naxx before the expansion. We had great guild leadership with a small number of officers. Everyone was a professional raider and there was no fat in our guild.

    The expansion came out and I would say the honeymoon ended after about 3 weeks. This is when the guild started working on Karazhan. A core group of players and the guild leadership managed to get their Kara keys reasonably quickly.

    Originally it was decided a strong Kara team would work out the strats then split in two to distribute amongst two 10-man teams.

    Recently the guild leadership decided the same 10-man team would always run Karazhan. They also decided that the guild would not help anyone get their keys. Basically it is now every man for himself and it is up to the individual to get keyed.

    The guild leader did publicly state his reasons for doing this – guild strength, endgame Hyjal objective etc. But for the rest of the guild that is now stuck on the sidelines with little or nothing to do has resulted in very unhappy members throughout the guild. The guild leader also said if they complained they would be kicked on the spot.

    So what we are left with is a soulless guild. Many people have stopped logging in or only turning up for a couple of hours a night. Some people have cancelled their accounts or left the guild.

    What should have been a fun experience with the release of the expansion has left people bitter and looking for other guilds or other online games. As for myself I log in to WoW and mostly rely on PUG’s and friends to achieve my goals within the game. My faith in my own guild is totally shattered and I am bitterly disappointed in the way our once strong guild is heading.

    The last point is that my love of this game is now gone. The expansion is the best and worst thing to happen to the World Of Warcraft.


  9. Ravven (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 8:37 am

    Theblues: that story is so similar to what happened to our guild. I don’t know that I would actually blame the expansion, although all of the changes were brought about by the reduction in raid size. I like the smaller instances where everyone has to be on top of their game. I think it’s positive for the game as a whole, although I would have like to see one new 40-man. I think the problem was all of us. It was obvious that there were going to be limited spaces, and those already in possession of the raid slots were prepared to fight off any competitors…despite the fact that those “competitors” were also their friends. It’s a sad situation.



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